Can Labour explain this please

As soldiers went short of kit, MoD wasted £½m on artwork like this


That is the headline to this article.

An extract;

Geoff Hoon spent nearly £560,000 of Ministry of Defence money on modern art while British soldiers were dying in Iraq and Afghanistan through lack of equipment.



The former Defence Secretary wasted the huge sum on 15 pieces of abstract art to hang on the walls of his department between 2003 and 2005.


Meanwhile, the Labour government faced criticism for putting servicemen and women in danger by scrimping on essential kit such as helicopters, radios and night goggles, and forcing their families to live in rundown military homes.

I want Hoon, and the rest of those Labour politicians to explain why did they spend so much money on art when there was a lack of equipment for our troops.

I wonder what was going through the mind of Hoon, other Labour politicians and civil service staff at the time.

Should we buy the best equipment for our troops or spend huge amounts of money on art to hang on the walls?
We all know the answer to that.

One word that comes to mind thinking of Hoon and the rest of the people who bought the art instead of equipment.

SCUM

Real Heroes and Legends

Below is Ian Collins, of Talksport' Speaking with Siobhan O'Dowd who created the 'Raoul Moat Legend facebook page.'




If, in her eyes, Moat was a hero and a legend, what does she think about the brave people who go out and risk their lives to help and save people; for example;

The Fire Service

The RNLI Lifeboat Crews, who are volunteers,

The Ambulance / Paramedic service,

The Police, yes people may say they are not heroes, but at heart I'm sure all policemen and women want to protect the public.

People may not agree with all of the above, but no one can disagree with the next one.

The Military, especially the ones in Afghanistan at the moment, and the ones who have served in conflicts, and wars, past.
WW1, WW2, Korea, The Falklands, Northern Ireland, The Gulf War, Kosova and Bosnia, Afghanistan, Iraq.

To Siobhan O'Dowd and to all those 'people' who think Raoul Moat is some sort of legend and hero. Click the link below and see real heroes and legends.

Real Legends and Real Heroes

Government Priorities

I have just been reading this article

I have copied the whole article for you to read.

Who dares mutinies: How the SAS defied orders to launch the most audacious rescue of the Iraq war

At Credenhill camp, their UK base near Hereford, officers and troopers of 22 SAS were on parade in their best bib and tucker. Their usual jeans and combat overalls were replaced by spotless dress uniforms for a ceremony to consecrate a new resting place for the regiment’s fallen heroes. But then the quiet was shattered by dozens of mobile phones ringing.

Nearly 3,000 miles away in hot, dusty Southern Iraq, two of their own were in desperate trouble. Captured by insurgents, banged up in a cell and physically beaten, they were under threat of summary execution.

Even worse, the message coming along the grapevine was that nothing much was being done by British forces in Basra to save them. There was every chance, it seemed, that the new graveyard would soon be getting its first occupants.

What was particularly frustrating was that a situation like this was meat and drink to the honed and highly motivated men of the special forces.

The SAS had won its unrivalled public reputation by springing the hostages from the siege of the Iranian embassy in London back in 1980. Surely they could do the same for their own guys in Iraq, in 2005?

Except that no one, it appeared, would authorise such a mission.

The SAS needed clearance from defence chiefs in Britain but, concerned about the effects an assault might have on the fragile political set-up in Basra, they were sitting on their hands. The word coming from the top was that there were more important issues at stake than the lives of two soldiers.

The troopers were furious. No wonder that — as the Daily Mail exclusively revealed last week — the SAS came close to mutiny.

Its officers talked of resigning their commissions; among the men, there were mutterings about going on strike until the Government showed some bottle. After all, the nature of the job meant any one of them could find themselves in a similar situation.

Earlier that day, September 19, the two soldiers in question — a staff sergeant and a lance corporal — had been in a beat up local car cruising through the dusty Basra streets on a covert surveillance mission.

With a handful of colleagues in a second car, they comprised the total SAS contingent in Basra, the southern city where 8,500 British troops were tasked to back up the local police force in maintaining some semblance of order in post-Saddam Iraq.

The main SAS presence, known as Task Force Black, was based in Baghdad, engaged alongside U.S. special forces in a full- on covert war against Al-Qaeda. To the SAS, Basra was a backwater, where its tiny force’s main job was protecting MI6 agents.

For the Army there, however, the pressing issue was the loyalty of the local police they were trying to train. And whether they were, in fact, secretly in league with the increasingly unruly Shia militiamen, the so-called Mahdi Army.

To that end, the SAS patrol was out early, keeping tabs on a dodgy police captain. Disguised as Arabs, their job was simply to find out where he lived so that the Army could snatch him.

They had done that — ‘finished the serial’, in SAS speak — and were heading back to base when the first car turned a corner and ran straight into a police checkpoint.

This was no random stop-and-search. Suspicion was two way traffic in Iraq, and the police had been watching the watchers. They moved in, rifles readied, and motioned the occupants out of their car.

The hands of the SAS men reached for hidden weapons. There was no knowing who these men manning the barricade really were.

Shots rang out from both sides in a firefight that resulted in one policeman being killed and three more being wounded.

The SAS car roared away from the scene in clouds of dust, police vehicles hot on its tail.

But there was no escape. Their dog of a car was no match for the souped-up police vehicles. The sergeant and lance-corporal just had time to radio in their position before skidding to a halt and getting out, hands in the air, hoping to talk their way out of trouble.

Their captors were in no mood for negotiations. They grabbed the British soldiers, hustled them into their vehicles and sped away.

The men in the other, undetected SAS car stayed at a distance and tracked the convoy to the walled compound of the Jamiat police station, where they saw their comrades being bundled inside.

Here was a situation guaranteed to fill the minds of the British military with dread. Seared in the collective memory were the two corporals in plain clothes murdered by a mob of IRA supporters in Belfast in 1988.

More recently, in June 2003, six military policemen in the Basra region had been captured by militants and butchered. The failure to mount an operation in time to rescue them had shocked the ranks. Was a repeat really going to be allowed to happen?

The news of their colleagues’ capture raced round A Squadron, the main SAS force, at their base in Baghdad, a luxury villa that had once belonged to a sidekick of Saddam’s.

Two dozen troopers kitted up and, together with a logistical back-up team, made for the nearby airport and a waiting Hercules transport plane. Soon they were in the air and heading south to Basra.

By contrast, the wheels of officialdom were grinding more slowly. The British Embassy’s response was to contact the Iraqi Interior Ministry and make a formal request for the men’s release. They might as well have sent a postcard for all the good it would do.

Meanwhile, in Basra, a 100-strong Quick Reaction Force of Coldstream Guards was soon on its way to the police station.

It had no instructions to mount a rescue operation — it had just been ordered to contain the situation by cordoning off the building.

Inside the police station, in a room on the top floor, the two SAS men were stripped down to their T-shirts. Punched and kicked, they were accused of being Israeli spies.

This being the age of 24-hour TV, their captors went for instant publicity. Slumped on chairs, the two men, their faces bloodied, were filmed alongside the weapons and radio equipment captured with them. The images shot around the world.

To watchers from the Army — and particularly the SAS — the pictures were deeply worrying. The incident was swiftly getting out of control.

And to make matters worse, the square outside the police station was filling with angry Iraqis.

Rumours spread like a firestorm through the predominantly Shi’ite area and they came in their hundreds to demand vengeance for the death of the policeman at the road block.

Major James Woodham of the Royal Anglian Regiment arrived outside the police station to find a near riot.

He regularly liaised with the local police, and he was sent by his Army superiors to get inside and use his contacts to defuse the situation.

But the gates were closed in his face, and he saw machine guns mounted on the roof, aiming at the thin line of nervous British soldiers, many experiencing their first confrontation with stone-throwing Iraqis.

Nor was there much prospect of the situation cooling as reinforcements were on their way — for both sides. Helicopters were ferrying in more troops and the British force would eventually number 600.

They were matched by Muslim militiamen, who sped to the scene in trucks. Youths poured petrol into bottles to make firebombs. Somewhere in the hostile crowd, which was growing by the minute, were rocket-propelled grenades and anti-tank missiles.

The cool-headed Major used all his negotiating skills to talk his way inside. He was taken to see the two men. ‘They were pleased to see me,’ he recalled. His presence seemed to reassure them that steps were being taken for their release. Weren’t they?

Major Woodham quickly cleared up the matter of identity. The prisoners were not spies but British soldiers, he told the Iraqi police. But this made no difference. The police were insisting that an investigating judge should interrogate the two men.

Out of his depth with these legal matters, the Major sent for an Arab-speaking Army lawyer to continue the negotiations.

Out at the UK base at Basra airport, the commander of A Squadron was pleading with the acting British field commander, Brigadier John Lorimer, for permission to send his SAS troops to the rescue.

The TV images indicated that the two men were in acute danger. At the very least, there was the risk of an embarrassing show trial broadcast across the world.

Or worse — 18 months earlier, militants had kept the cameras rolling as they sawed off the head of a captured U.S. civilian worker.

But the Ministry of Defence in London and the Joint Operations Headquarters at Northwood just outside the capital instructed Brigadier Lorimer not to do anything that might inflame matters.

Back at the police station, the lawyer had arrived, a glamorous female soldier, Major Rabia Siddique.

In the intimidating crowd of police around her, she spotted the faces of known Islamic militants.

As a Muslim woman, she felt extremely vulnerable. At one stage, she was spat at and called ‘a whore’.

But she stood her ground. For an hour she argued with the judge that the men were protected by a legal agreement between the Iraqi government and Coalition Forces, and should be released.

Asking for proof that the prisoners were still alive, she was taken to a cell, where they were huddled in a corner, chained up and blindfolded. ‘They were dragged over and plonked in front of me,’ she recalled. ‘I told them not to worry, that we’d get them out.’

But that prospect seemed slimmer than ever as, outside the station, a full-scale battle was breaking out. In the blazing heat, British troops tried to contain the waves of rioters surging towards them. Soldiers opened fire on the petrol bombers, and the casualties they inflicted further enraged the mob.

As the fighting spread in the narrow Basra backstreets, a Warrior armoured carrier was hit. A soldier was seized by the pursuing mob and beaten until he was unconscious. With machine guns blazing, he was rescued by comrades who dragged him away by his hair.

Another Warrior took a direct hit and a ball of fire shot up from the turret. Soldiers came cannoning out through the air, frantically beating out the flames with their hands.



In all, 19 British soldiers were badly wounded that day. The miracle, given the ferocity of the encounters, was that none died.

All this was captured on cameras in a Predator ‘spy-in-the-sky’ drone cruising overhead and flashing its pictures back to base and to armchair commanders in England.

But as the situation on the ground worsened by the minute, still nobody could be found to authorise a rescue mission. To this day, SAS sources believe a senior officer who could have made a decision was on the golf course and had his mobile phone switched off.

The implication is that he was deliberately not contactable.

There are now charges — from Tory MP Adam Holloway in a hard-hitting report on the incident — that politics were at the root of this studied inactivity.

The comforting picture presented by the MoD and the Government to the British people was of ‘our boys in Basra’ not at war but training and mentoring the Iraqi police.

This clear indication that local police — their ranks riddled with insurgents — were the problem rather than the solution, was a blow to that strategy. If two soldiers had to be sacrificed so as not to rock the boat, then so be it.

Inside the police station, things were in fact looking up as Major Siddique’s negotiations seemed to be making progress. The judge was willing to hand over the men into her custody in return for a signed letter from the Iraqi government authorising their release.

The letter was said to be on its way, if only a courier could get through the baying mob camped outside.

But then the mood changed dramatically. Dozens of militia in plain clothes poured into the room. She heard shouting and the ominous rattle of machine guns being primed. Pistols were waved in the air.

It was clear this was no longer a police matter. Shia militiamen were taking over. ‘I tried to carry on talking to the judge but he said: “I’m sorry. It’s no longer in my hands.” I felt control slipping through my fingers. I was afraid,’ said Major Siddique.

The intruders grabbed the two soldiers and took them away. Major Siddique was sure they were about to be shot. In fact, their captors — fearing a helicopter assault — had decided to move them to a safe house. They bundled them downstairs, dressed them in ankle-length Arab clothes and covered their heads with blankets as they emerged into the yard.

A scuffle broke out. The SAS men, co-operative until now, were not going quietly.

It was a good job they fought back, because overhead a keen-eyed observer in a circling Sea King helicopter spotted the fracas as the men were forced into the boots of waiting cars and driven away.

He relayed his commentary back to base — where SAS commanders realised time was running out.

From mobile phone calls intercepted by high-tech eavesdroppers, they discovered who had their boys — a militant group calling itself Iraqi Hezbollah. It didn’t augur well.

By now, the SAS force from Baghdad had arrived and was deployed a few miles away from the Jamiat police station. They were incandescent that political matters were reining them in. All they needed was the ‘go’ command.

And then they got it, in defiance of Whitehall — though precisely from whom remains unclear.

Some sources indicate it was the SAS commander on the spot who made the call. But other accounts say it was Brigadier Lorimer who seized the initiative by ordering an armoured column of regular forces to take the police station.

With helicopters buzzing overhead, Warriors and Challenger tanks brushed aside the crowds outside and crashed through the walls into the compound. Snatch squads burst into every room, ostensibly looking for the two SAS captives.

But the attack on the station — which Iraqi officials denounced as ‘barbaric, savage and irresponsible’ — was a feint. The real rescue mission was centred on a house nearby, where the SAS knew their men had been taken.

It was a classic assault of the type that they had practised so many times in the so- called Killing House at Hereford, blowing out windows and doors, hurling in stun grenades and storming in through the dust and smoke.

There was no opposition. In a locked bathroom, they found the sergeant and lance-corporal, bound but safe and alive. The militants holding them had melted away into the night.

In the aftermath of this success, all the supposed difficulties that had surrounded it melted away, too.

The rescue mission mysteriously assumed the mantle of having been authorised all along. A veil was drawn over the indecision of the top-brass back home.

But the SAS knew the truth — and at least one senior officer had now had enough of being a political pawn. In his report, Holloway reveals that the commander on the ground, who risked his career by going ahead with the rescue, subsequently left the Army because he was ‘disillusioned at the degeneration of the moral backbone of the British military generalship in the heart of Whitehall’.

The regiment had their men back, but no thanks, they felt, to high-ups on their own side. As the SAS motto goes, who dares wins — but it’s a damned sight harder if your hands are tied behind your back.

This proves one thing, the last government thought so little of our lads and lasses out there that they would let 2 of them die, just to keep the locals happy.

The following is taken from The Military Covenant

Soldiers will be called upon to make personal sacrifices - including the ultimate sacrifice - in the service of the Nation. In putting the needs of the Nation and the Army before their own, they fore go some of the rights enjoyed by those outside the Armed Forces. In return, British soldiers must always be able to expect fair treatment, to be valued and respected as individuals, and that they (and their families) will be sustained and rewarded by commensurate terms and conditions of service.

'Fair treatment and to be valued and respected', someone forgot about that on this day.

This must be just one of hundreds of examples of how the last government thought of our military.

Let's hope this new government will show the military the respect they deserve.

Who is Ed Balls?

This video is doing the rounds on the blogs.

Take a look.




What does Balls think of our military?

Not much, because he feels that he should pay for a wreath on Remembrance Sunday with his expenses.

Why didn't he pay for the wreath out of his own pocket?

That is showing disrespect to our military past and present.

I hope the people of his constituency sees this video and see what he is really like.

I have asked this before, but I thought Labour was a working man's political party.

With Balls, Harman and the Milliband brothers, to name a few, all going to private schools, is there any Labour ministers actually from a working class background?

The MOD. A Military organisation run by civilians.

Thanks to http://twitter.com/IanPJ and http://twitter.com/veterans_uk for this find.

The MOD: Unfit for Purpose from http://www.standpointmag.co.uk/standpoint

Here are some extracts from the article that was published in 2008;

I am often asked why the MOD makes so many strange decisions and seems to care so little about the welfare of its personnel. People are surprised to read about expensive computer systems that fail to pay service members their proper salaries — or pay them late. Some are shocked by the apparent dumping of severely wounded personnel from Afghanistan and Iraq into civilian hospital wards, remote from their regiments and families, or the massive contracts for systems that are delivered late and don’t work properly, or the strange failure to publicise genuine successes and minor victories achieved “against the odds” in Afghanistan and Iraq.

None of these scandals — or many others less well known — would surprise anyone who knows the MOD and what it has become.

Most people still believe that the MOD is essentially a military organisation. It is not. It is an organisation dominated numerically, culturally and structurally by civil servants and consultants, many of whom are unsympathetic to its underlying purpose or even hostile to the military and its ethos. You just have to spend a few days at the MOD before you realise that the culture there is not just non-military, but anti-military.

The MOD has slipped from being one of the top five ministries to one of second or even third rank. Moreover, even if our top generals wanted to oppose some aspect of defence policy, they would find the MOD’s structure is now rigged so that civil servants increasingly come between them and the government.

Now the ratio of civilians to service-members is closer to six to one — not including the ever-growing numbers of consultants and Spads (special advisers) or the parallel government structures in the cabinet office and the PM’s policy unit which may be driving the ratio towards 12 to one. Essentially the military has lost command of its own HQ.

Worse still, the civil servants who now dominate the MOD are a different breed from those who staffed it in the 1980s. In those days there were still many civil servants who had served in the Second World War or Korea, or who had at least done national service. They respected and understood the armed services; they believed an effective military was important and had usually learnt essential skills of leadership and management. They were loyal to the Queen (then the head of the Civil Service), to the Civil Service itself and to its code, and to the service arm they were working for. They have all gone.

The real point of most MOD contracts is industrial strategy. We buy planes or vehicles or systems not because they are the best we can afford for the task in hand but because they mean jobs in some part of the country. Or because they further European integration. This is why we buy helicopters like the Merlin that cost more than three times the price of the US Blackhawk. As a result we don’t have decent airlift capacity in Afghanistan, and our infantry in Basra were the first British troops to go into battle without dedicated “on-call” air cover since the First World War.

Because the services haven’t had the budget increases they need to fight the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the military is running out of everything. We’re running out of trucks, for instance. And when things break they aren’t being replaced. Increasingly one gets the impression that the civil servants don’t care if the forces are broken — their careers will not be affected. But it may also be that some civil servants and a body of politicians, from both Left and Right, would actually be happy for the military to be broken in Iraq and Afghanistan. Then they will have truly achieved the Europeanisation of Britain’s armed forces along the lines of a purely defensive “UK Defence Force”. War will somehow have been abolished — until, of course, it returns at a time of our enemies’ choosing.

This has to change, the Government is sending our troops into battle with substandard equipment, if they're lucky.

The Government is meant to look after our military, why isn't it?

The Promise to our Military

Thanks to Cold Steel Rain's Twitter for this find.

The Leaders last night made promises to our military.



Whoever is voted into power must make sure our military gets the best equipment, pay and care because if they break the promises they made, the public will never forgive them.

Explain this one Gordon

At the Chilcot enquiry Gordon Brown said that the military got all the money they asked for, and that funding went up every year.

He did own up later that in some years it didn't go up, when he was found out of course.

Yesterday I read this article

An extract;

The Sunday Telegraph has been told that a £400,000 "contingency fund", financed by private donors, was used to purchase body armour for members of 21 SAS, one of the service's two territorial regiments, prior to their deployment to Helmand in 2008.

Cash from the fund was also used to pay for operational welfare equipment, personal kit and to pay-off the mortgages of two members of 23 SAS killed in southern Afghanistan in an earlier deployment.

The disclosure has been seized upon by opposition MPs and former Army commanders of proof that the Armed Forces have not been properly funded while Labour has been in power.

This is just one regiment of the whole British Army. If the government can't supply the SAS with proper equipment, then what are the other regiments supplies going to be like.

In the article, it says the fund was set up to help the families of soldiers killed or wounded.

An extract;

But after the regiment was mobilised in the spring of 2008, commanders feared the unit did not have access to enough equipment or body armour to properly prepare the SAS troops for their six month tour.

Gordon Brown has said in the past that the army is the best trained and best equipped. Please, Gordon tell us, if the army is the best trained and equipped why are they having to buy equipment through private donations?

The news of the army not being given the right equipment is not new, look at this article from December 15th 2006;

Soldier killed without body armour talked of 'disgraceful' lack of kit

An extract;

A British tank commander who died in Iraq because he had been ordered to give up his body armour described British military supplies as "disgraceful" and "a bit of a joke" in the days before his death, an inquest heard today.

When our troops go to war they know they may well pay the ultimate sacrifice, but they must be protected as much as possible, with the proper body armour, armoured vehicles and helicopters.

So I ask you Gordon Brown, Chancellor and now Prime Minister, if as you say the Army has been funded properly, why are we seeing stories about our troops buying their own equipment, AGAIN?

How many mistakes like this have the MOD done.

Once again thanks to http://twitter.com/IanPJ for this find.

The following comes from the Hounslow Chronicle.

An extract;

The Ministry of Defence faces a bill for hundreds of millions of pounds if the RAF's new fleet of tanker and transport aircraft is to be able to fly in war zones such as Afghanistan, the Whitehall spending watchdog has warned.

In a highly critical report, the National Audit Office said that the £10.5 billion private finance initiative (PFI) deal to provide 14 new Airbus A330-200 aircraft was already running five-and-a-half years behind schedule.

It warned that there could now be years of further delays if the MoD decided they should be "retro-fitted" with flight deck armour and other protective equipment to enable them to operate in "high threat environments".

So the new aircraft was not originally ordered with the protective armour for the flight deck. Ok.

An extract

The NAO said that when the MoD originally began work on the tanker aircraft procurement programme, it was not envisaged that they could be required to fly directly into conflict zones and no funding was provided for protective equipment.

Instead it was decided that the additional equipment would have to be "retro-fitted" once the RAF starts taking delivery of the aircraft next year - a process which the NAO said could cost "several hundred million pounds" if it goes ahead.

It's a military aircraft for crying out loud, didn't they think it just might be used in a war zone?

Did any of the pencil pushers in the MOD actually ask someone from the military where these aircraft might have to fly?

So basically money that could of been spent on better equipment for our troops, like body armour, better armoured vehicles, or even just better boots is swallowed up by the incompetence of the pencil pushers in the MOD.

Like what Ian PJ says:- It is seriously time to get rid of every non military dickhead from the MoD. Political bureaucrats are killing it.

How many projects like this is happening at the MOD.

I presume they do ask the military what they would like, but are they over ruled by the money men and then the troops on the ground get sub standard equipment?

Going by what we have been hearing over the last few months and years, the troops have been getting substandard equipment.

This must change, we cannot send our troops to a war zone without proper equipment.

In my opinion if our troops are sent out with sub standard equipment and are injured, or worse killed, then someone must answer for it.

Our troops know that when they join the military they may go to war, and they know the sacrifice they may have to make, but the MOD should at least make sure that they have the equipment to keep them as safe as possible.

If directors of a company can be charged with corporate manslaughter if someone dies from using sub standard equipment, then why can't the pen pushers, and government ministers, at the MOD be up on similar charges.

You cannot send troops to a war zone without proper equipment.

The Royal Navy

Has anyone wondered how many of our Royal Naval ships have been decommissioned over the last 13 years?

Well I came across this and was shocked at what i found.

I found this from http://twitter.com/IanPJ

The following is from They work for you

The Royal Navy and Royal Fleet Auxiliary vessels, including submarines, withdrawn from service in each year since 1997 are shown in the following table:

Royal Navy vessels withdrawn from service & Royal Fleet Auxiliary vessels withdrawn from service

1997
HMS Battleaxe
RFA Resource
HMS Orwell
HMS Peacock
HMS Plover
HMS Starling
HMS Orkney
HMY Britannia

1998
HMS Blackwater
HMS Spey
HMS Arun
HMS Itchen

1999
HMS Birmingham
HMS Boxer
HMS Beaver
HMS London

2000
HMS Brave
RFA Olna
HMS Bicester
RFA Olwen

2001
HMS Intrepid
HMS Coventry
HMS Berkeley
HMS Cromer
HMS Herald
HMS Bulldog

2002
HMS Fearless
HMS Sheffield
HMS Alderney
HMS Beagle

2003
HMS Splendid
HMS Anglesey
HMS Shetland
HMS Guernsey
HMS Lindisfarne

2004
HMS Bridport
RFA Sir Geraint

2005
HMS Glasgow
RFA Sir Percivale
HMS Newcastle
HMS Cardiff
HMS Norfolk
HMS Marlborough
HMS Sandown
HMS Inverness
HMS Brecon
HMS Cottesmore
HMS Dulverton
HMS Leeds Castle

2006
HMS Spartan
RFA Sir Galahad
HMS Sovereign
RFA Sir Tristram
HMS Grafton
RFA Grey Rover

2007
HMS Dumbarton Castle
RFA Brambleleaf
RFA Oakleaf

2008
HMS Superb
RFA Sir Bedivere

2009
HMS Trafalgar
HMS Southampton
HMS Exeter

HMS Nottingham is due to be withdrawn from service during February 2010.

The following is the ships that have been ordered to replace the above.

Construction contracts for 15 surface ships and submarines have been signed since May 1997. Details are provided in the following table:

Type of vessel Name of vessel
2000
Landing Ship Dock (Auxiliary) Largs Bay
Lyme Bay

2000
Echo Class Survey Vessels Echo Enterprise

2000
(1) Type 45 Destroyer Daring
Dauntless
Diamond
Dragon
Defender
Duncan

2001
Landing Ship Dock (Auxiliary) Mounts Bay
Cardigan Bay

2007
Astute Class Submarine Audacious

2008
Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers Queen Elizabeth
Prince Of Wales
(1 )The Type 45 contract was re-negotiated in 2007.

Defense spending went up in most years, I don't think so.

It is more like defense savings from decommissioning so many Royal Navy Ships

Britannia rules the waves, not any more we don't.

Why have BASSA changed their Logo?

In December I blogged about the Bassa, Union's, The British Airlines Stewards and Stewardesses Association, logo (Part of the Unite union) being very similar to the picture of the WW2 picture from Iwo Jima.
See blog entry below;

http://mythoughtsmycountry.blogspot.com/2009/12/i-was-wondering.html


Iwo Jima picture from http://www.freeinfosociety.com/media.php?id=1254

Bassa Picture from union site in December.

Notice the difference. They have just imposed themselves over the brave men who fought at Iwo Jima.

In my opinion that is so wrong in so many ways.

The reason i am re blogging about the pictures is because of the American union 'The Teamsters' were showing support for the unite union. I was wondering if the Teamsters would be so supportive of the Unite union if they knew what logo the BASSA union (part of the Unite union) were using.

I thought i would check again if the logo was being used before i blogged about it again, guess what I found? Take a look.

Picture taken from the BASSA union site

They have changed it, but it is still taken from the Iwo Jima picture.

They should change it completely.

People died fighting at Iwo Jima, and a union shouldn't be able to use an image of their sacrifice.

I would like to ask the union bosses a question.

If you go on strike, will you 'sacrifice' your salary while your members are on strike?

Is Gordon Brown Lying about the Defence Budget?

Thanks to Daily Referendum for this blog.

Watch this video and ask yourself, is Gordon Brown Lying about the defense budget?



If Gordon Brown has manipulated the figures in this, what else is he capable of?

Publicity Stunt or Coincidence?

Is it just a coincidence that the very next day that Gordon Brown gives evidence at the Chilcot enquiry, he visits the troops in Afghanistan?

Does he think we're stupid enough to believe it when he says it isn't electioneering.

An extract from the article from Sky News;

Asked whether the trip amounted to electioneering, Mr Brown said: "I am here because I want to thank the British troops for their bravery, their dedication and their professionalism."

The trip came after Lord Boyce - who was the head of the military at the time of the Iraq invasion - attacked Mr Brown and said the Ministry of Defence was starved of funds.

G.O.T. has a blog about this subject and it says it all. Read what it says in the picture and ask yourself, What is Gordon Brown really doing in Afghanistan?

Just to warn you the blog does contain colourful language

Who is the more believable?

Gordon Brown said:

“Every request that the military commanders made to us for equipment was answered. No request was ever turned down,” Mr Brown said. “We had a rising defence budget.”

"The spending review of 2004 was welcomed by the chiefs of our defence staff,” he said. “They were satisfied at the end of the review that they had the resources they needed.”

Gen Guthrie and other military figures said:

“Not fully funding the Army in the way they had asked ... undoubtedly cost the lives of soldiers. He should be asked why he was so unsympathetic towards defence and so sympathetic to other departments.”

“To say Gordon Brown has given the military all they asked for is simply not true,” Lord Guthrie, a former chief of the defence staff, writes in The Daily Telegraph.

“He cannot get away with saying I gave them everything they asked for, that is simply disingenuous.

A senior military figure involved in the 2004 spending talks said Mr Brown’s claims were “nonsense.”

The commander said: “To say it was ‘welcome’ is to use a great deal of poetic licence.

“To say the outcome of that process was ‘welcome’ is frankly hyperbole.”

Major General Patrick Cordingley, a commander in the first Gulf War, said: “The real truth is the Armed Forces are underfunded.”

Who would you believe, Military men who served in our Armed Services with honour, or Gordon Brown?

'Outrage over controversial Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett'

That is the headline from this article in the telegraph

Now i will try and stay calm while writing this.

Wootton Basset is a town whose people are doing what everyone in the country would do, by paying our respects to our honoured dead.

I'm sure everyone would agree that they would be doing exactly what the people of Wootton Basset are doing, by lining the streets and pay their respects to our fallen, if they came through their town.

If this islamic group do march through Wootton Basset they would, in my opinion, be at the very least disrespecting our honoured dead, and the thought of that makes me, and probably the whole country, very upset.

It shouldn't matter if you are for or against the war, those lads and lasses are our brothers, sisters, fathers, sons and daughters. It doesn't matter if you aren't related to anyone out there, they are still our brothers and sisters fighting for their country.

This march cannot be allowed to go ahead, not just because of all the hurt it may cause, but because the far right would most probably turn up as well, and then you will have what will become a dangerous situation. I would not want that to happen in Wootton Basset

The community of Wootton Basset has shown great patriotism that the whole country feels for our lads and lasses, and i would hate for anything to happen there if this group do march there.

The march by this islamic group must not be allowed to go ahead.

I was Wondering

I was watching the news earlier and i was watching an article about the BA strike action and i noticed the union emblem.

Why is the BASSA union, which is part of the Unite union, using as it's emblem a classic WWII picture from the Battle of IWO JIMA?

See Below;

Picture taken from the Unite Union website.

Spot the difference?

Picture taken from Freeinfosociety.com

Notice the difference?
Not much if you ask me.

Is it right that a union is recreating a picture where soldiers lost their lives?

Is the union saying that they will put their lives on the line for their members?

In my opinion it is an insult to the people who fought in the Battle of Iwo Jima that a union would recreate this picture.

"Immigration Officials Putting their Lives on the Line for the Country"

The above is a quote from Phil Woolas, the Home Office minister, from an article in the Telegraph.

Can death occur from a paper cut?

Or is it tripping over all the bonus money they received?

How can someone say that desk bound officials are 'putting their lives at risk for their country' when we have our military, who are putting their lives at risk everyday, in Afghanistan.

Is this what some of our politicians are thinking nowadays, that filing papers away is as dangerous as dodging bullets and bombs.

Mr Woolas, a word of advice, engage brain before opening mouth.

What i want to hear now is exactly how immigration staff are 'putting their lives on the line.'

I have a question;

Do politicians know anything about what is happening in the real world?

Would you want to send a Soldier a parcel, or would you send some cash to the government?

I have just been reading the Daily Post and i came across this article

(See Link)

The articles title is

Don't stop us sending parcels to troops says mother of Llywelyn Evans

Basically the government is asking all the people who send parcels to the soldiers to stop because the military postal service is being swamped, and it can't cope. They also say it puts the delivery personnel at extra unjustifiable risk.

What more risk than the soldier out at the front lines?

The government want people to stop sending parcels and instead make a donation to a "charity".

This is a quote from the article;

But now the Ministry of Defence wants people to donate cash to a new charity that will buy sports and other leisure equipment for troops instead.

Now i have a couple of things to say about that;

1. I bet every soldier loves a gift box from home, even if it is from someone they don't know. It must give them a morale booster to open a box and find some sweets, a magazine, maybe just a small toy and even a pack of cards. I'm sure they appreciate that people are thinking of them back home.

2. The Ministry of Defence wants the public to donate cash to a 'government charity'. Hell they don't equip our troops as it is, so why would we trust them to with our money. Would all the money donated go to the soldiers, or would a significant slice be cut from the money for 'administration purposes'?

Another quote from the article says;

An MoD spokesman said: “People often don’t realise the unintended consequences of their actions.

“The EFFMS, which enables families and close friends of service personnel to send packages out to theatre, can be swamped by the public’s generosity. All important personal mail can be delayed.”

One simple solution is hire more people.

If you want to help either way here is some infomation from the article;

Mrs Evans is appealing for donations of small Christmas cakes, puddings and biscuits to be left at Ty Llywelyn centre in Ffordd yr Orsedd or Ty Hapus centre in Ffordd Penrhyn, both Llandudno.

An awareness day for Operation Welly activities will be held at the Victoria Centre, Mostyn Street, Llandudno on Tuesday November 24 from 11am. A coffee morning in aid of Operation Welly will be held at Gloddaeth United not Reformed Church, Chapel Street, Llandudno on Saturday November 28, 10am-noon.

Or

To donate to the MoD’s Operational Welfare Fund go to bmycharity.com/V2/welfarefund or call 0207 463 922. Alternatively, cheques payable to the SSAFA Operational Welfare Fund can be sent to SSAFA Forces Help, FREEPOST, NAT 19507, London, SE1 2BR


If we can't get our boys and girls back home, at least lets give them a morale booster.

Brothers in Arms Right to the End

I don't think i can add anything to this article.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6847289.ece

The Bravery and Comradeship of our soldiers should be an inspiration to us all.

A Fitting Memorial

I have been watching and listening about what is happening in Afghanistan, and i do have mixed emotions about the conflict.

I do agree that it was right to go to Afghanistan and depose the Taliban regime.

I don't like what our soldiers have to do out there with the limited equipment and numbers. If you are sending the military out to a war zone then equip them with everything they need to complete the mission.

Sending them out there without enough armoured personnel carriers, tanks, planes, helicopters etc is asking them to put their life on the line unnecessarily.

Yes soldiers do get injured, and killed, but they have a better chance of survival if they can be airlifted by helicopter to a proper medical facility, but they haven't got enough helicopters to do this.

I believe that a cause to the amount of soldiers killed is due to the fact that they weren't airlifted out quick enough.

I believe we have to see it out to the end, because we can't let all the blood that has been spilt by our military be in vain. We can't let the Taliban just walk back in and take over where they left off.

It wouldn't be right for all the people who have died out there, all those lives lost for nothing. It would be very, very hard to live with that.

I am very, very proud of our guys, and girls, out there.

I am proud at how they get on with the job, no matter what equipment they have or haven't got.

The meaning behind the title of this blog.

When all this is over I would love, as a fitting memorial, to have all the names of the military personnel who have lost their lives in both the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts to be put up so the British public can remember the sacrifice they have made.

I know we already have cenotaphs with all the Honoured Dead from the 2 Worlds Wars, but i believe we should have a separate memorial to the Honoured Dead from the two conflicts.

Another reason for the memorial, in my opinion, is if any politician wants to send our military to a conflict I want them to read every single name on that memorial to understand the cost in lives that can happen when sending our military out to a conflict zone.